Let’s start with a hat tip to the four people running the “Daily Sceptic” and then move on to a data source (re-presenting official data in legible form) the UK Freedom Project and its latest (published in November 2022) Summary of the UK’s adverse event reporting system – Yellow Card – updated to 26 October 2022.
what's the placebo? a trivalent flu vaccine (i.e. not no vaccines at all)
flu vaccines have no track record in preventing flu.. its a coin toss
moderna is also developing a flu/rsv/c19 injection - after all, if you have screwed up every thing you have tried or have no track record of success, then why not, right?
Hi Peter - the essential objection put forward by people such as my elderly father in defense of the shots - was that yes, the adverse events were sad, but that given the huge amount of jabs administered...weren't these inevitable in the task of saving lives overall?
Have the adverse events been proportionately any significantly higher this time around - than with other vaccination campaigns...that's what he was asking?
I'm sure they have been - massively - have been aware of the adverse events from early on - but I've not seen any analysis specifically on this 'proportionality' issue - that could be presented?
Proportionality was the key factor, for him.
I personally don't see how ANY lives were saved at all, by these shots...they certainly did no good, and instead did only harm as far as I can see...but has any analysis been done on his specific question - so that this rollout can clearly be compared to other, previous, much more limited vaccination campaigns?
The first column shows 1.5 million adverse reactions from C19 injections in the two years they have been around, the second column shows the 912,000 adverse reactions from all other vaccines combined over the 32 years since the VAERS system began in 1990 - including the disastrous swine flu and "normal" annual flu vaccines. that website does great work, down to even showing deaths per million doses of C19 injections and all other vaccines.
So the 2 years of C19 injections in the US produced 750,000 per annum, compared to an annualized rate of 28,500 for all other vaccines combined. a ratio of 26 to 1.
Deaths are a few rows down. 33,000 for C19 injections in two years compared to 10,000 in 32 years for all other vaccines in 32 years. 16,5000 annualized deaths for C19 injections v just 300 per annum for all other vaccines - the C19 injections are 53 times more deadly than all other vaccines combined.
"The UK Medicine Regulator has confirmed that over a period of nineteen months the Covid-19 Vaccines have caused at least 5.5x as many deaths as all other available vaccines combined in the past 21 years."
It is a difficult task to convince someone that the axiom "i am from the government and I am here to help you" has been adjusted to replace "help" with "maim and/or kill you".
Yes, all that appreciated - Dad wasn't disputing the high figures of adverse events...it's just in his mind this rate was purely a consequence of the many millions of doses given...far more than of any other vaccine.
Obviously he'd been conned into thinking the shots were necessary in the first place...as someone in his 90's that wasn't so surprising.
Then it's just a calculation of whether the death and damage caused by the vaccination program was worth it - a "necessary sacrifice".
Clearly we ourselves are already convinced that wasn't remotely the case - but if the relative harm of this vaccine per number of doses given compared to previous vaccines can be identified - that would surely be an extremely illustrative statistic to illuminate the difference?
Yes indeed. Again, scroll down to the charts titled "Deaths per million doses (US only) Traditional Vaccines 2006-2019 v Covid Vaccines 2020 - Present"
and the tables underneath all the charts that show Covid19 vaccinations through 5/31/2021 vs. Flu vaccinations 7/1/2019 – 5/31/2020 (last complete flu season) plus Risk of dying from COVID vaccine is 181 times greater than Flu Vaccine
there are around 170 million doses of each (C19 injection and flu vaccine)
again this is for US data, but why would the UK experience be markedly different, barring the use of the deadlier AZN injections
In New Zealand news a Wellington research company who does work for Pfizer and AZ, is researching a combined covid and flu vaccine. They are asking fir trial participants. Here’s the story https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/wellington-medical-company-p3-research-looking-into-a-combined-flu-and-covid-19-vaccine.html
At a minimum, the company should provide the trial participants with a free life insurance policy.
I remember the weird policies they used to sell us at school many decades ago:
Loss of life $$$$
Loss of one arm and one leg $$$
Loss of one hand $$
Loss of one hand and one testicle $$$
And our moms would buy these bizarre policies and say ""OK dear, now go play in traffic!"
what's the placebo? a trivalent flu vaccine (i.e. not no vaccines at all)
flu vaccines have no track record in preventing flu.. its a coin toss
moderna is also developing a flu/rsv/c19 injection - after all, if you have screwed up every thing you have tried or have no track record of success, then why not, right?
The requirement is you must have been vaccinated for covid 😂😂😂
So yes it will be comparing their new vaccine against people with abnormal immune function
Hi Peter - the essential objection put forward by people such as my elderly father in defense of the shots - was that yes, the adverse events were sad, but that given the huge amount of jabs administered...weren't these inevitable in the task of saving lives overall?
Have the adverse events been proportionately any significantly higher this time around - than with other vaccination campaigns...that's what he was asking?
I'm sure they have been - massively - have been aware of the adverse events from early on - but I've not seen any analysis specifically on this 'proportionality' issue - that could be presented?
Proportionality was the key factor, for him.
I personally don't see how ANY lives were saved at all, by these shots...they certainly did no good, and instead did only harm as far as I can see...but has any analysis been done on his specific question - so that this rollout can clearly be compared to other, previous, much more limited vaccination campaigns?
This just out
https://expose-news.com/2022/12/28/mhra-is-lying-when-it-claims-harms-not-serious/
Fair call. The injections in the UK differ from those in the US only by the non-use of Astra Zeneca injections.
perhaps this might convince him
https://vaersanalysis.info/2022/12/23/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-12-16-2022/
The first column shows 1.5 million adverse reactions from C19 injections in the two years they have been around, the second column shows the 912,000 adverse reactions from all other vaccines combined over the 32 years since the VAERS system began in 1990 - including the disastrous swine flu and "normal" annual flu vaccines. that website does great work, down to even showing deaths per million doses of C19 injections and all other vaccines.
So the 2 years of C19 injections in the US produced 750,000 per annum, compared to an annualized rate of 28,500 for all other vaccines combined. a ratio of 26 to 1.
Deaths are a few rows down. 33,000 for C19 injections in two years compared to 10,000 in 32 years for all other vaccines in 32 years. 16,5000 annualized deaths for C19 injections v just 300 per annum for all other vaccines - the C19 injections are 53 times more deadly than all other vaccines combined.
Are Astra Zeneca injections safer? Well, the number of reports to the European system show this https://peterhalligan.substack.com/p/eudra-shows-4-5-times-more-deaths
Is there similar evidence directly from the UK?
Well, this article makes some calcs for the UK
https://expose-news.com/2022/08/19/covid-jabs-75x-deadlier-than-all-vaccines/
"The UK Medicine Regulator has confirmed that over a period of nineteen months the Covid-19 Vaccines have caused at least 5.5x as many deaths as all other available vaccines combined in the past 21 years."
It is a difficult task to convince someone that the axiom "i am from the government and I am here to help you" has been adjusted to replace "help" with "maim and/or kill you".
good luck!
Yes, all that appreciated - Dad wasn't disputing the high figures of adverse events...it's just in his mind this rate was purely a consequence of the many millions of doses given...far more than of any other vaccine.
Obviously he'd been conned into thinking the shots were necessary in the first place...as someone in his 90's that wasn't so surprising.
Then it's just a calculation of whether the death and damage caused by the vaccination program was worth it - a "necessary sacrifice".
Clearly we ourselves are already convinced that wasn't remotely the case - but if the relative harm of this vaccine per number of doses given compared to previous vaccines can be identified - that would surely be an extremely illustrative statistic to illuminate the difference?
Yes indeed. Again, scroll down to the charts titled "Deaths per million doses (US only) Traditional Vaccines 2006-2019 v Covid Vaccines 2020 - Present"
and the tables underneath all the charts that show Covid19 vaccinations through 5/31/2021 vs. Flu vaccinations 7/1/2019 – 5/31/2020 (last complete flu season) plus Risk of dying from COVID vaccine is 181 times greater than Flu Vaccine
there are around 170 million doses of each (C19 injection and flu vaccine)
again this is for US data, but why would the UK experience be markedly different, barring the use of the deadlier AZN injections
Ah, yes - thank you...this is exactly what is needed. Appreciate your pointing this section out.
You are welcome.
Here's close to the ultimate Truth Bomb. Long watch but worth it.
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/discussion-with-sam-dube-and-lara