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Tardigrade's avatar

Also: volcanoes. Do models take account of volcanoes, which are mostly unpredictable?

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Peter Halligan's avatar

https://peterhalligan.substack.com/p/some-notes-on-the-underwater-eruption in January 2022 that rivalled Krakatoa which caused a rise in global temperatures over all of 2022 – to last five years – ignored by the UN IPCC models and MSM

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Tardigrade's avatar

Thank you so much for that link. Although I haven't had time to read it yet, I hope it confirms that climate models don't include volcanoes, a single event of which puts all net-zero efforts to shame. Hunga Tonga has been my favorite example recently; news about it was almost nonexistent, but even the NASA article (surprisingly—did they miss the memo?) pointed out that the massive amount of water vapor ejected would have a substantial impact on global temperatures. Also, water vapor! Not even carbon!

Puny humans, the Earth laughs at your hubristic efforts. Hahahahaha.

Another point: for 15 years now I've been reading quite a few scientific studies (in another field) and have learned how to spot the most rudimentary statistical hanky-panky. So I was predisposed to be skeptical of models in general. After the Imperial College London Covid-death-model debacle, I make it a point to ignore models altogether. GIGO.

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2FollowHim's avatar

Is it Nigel Farge? Similar most excellent points.

These points are key. I had no idea about the Phillipines dumping.

I've seen videos on China: they go to alarming lengths to cover things up. As long as it looks OK. It's not OK at all.

What do you think of, is it USA pumping C02 way down into the ground?

C02 is not inert; it reacts and I have to wonder what it's doing?

I guess it's sealed. Until some earthquake.

Have people measured the 02 content in various cities, anyone know? Anyone know the graph over 10 years?

I do trust our scientists/innovators to develop things to help us all.

My mate suffered badly, turned out to be eczema and I unexpectedly saw this place where I live for 'light beds', using them.

We purchased 8 sessions (not cheap) but they helped a lot.

This is an example.

I'm not so sure about environment, are you?

The drive is to take people off land into concrete 'boxes'

in the air. But people CARE for their own land often well.

I think condo dwellers need somehow to connect to land also.

I think grassroots matter.

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Kitsune, Maskless Crusader.'s avatar

Have you had any success engaging these alarmists? In the 25 + years I have been trying to, I have had zero success. They dismiss everything they disagree with as crazy talk from a climate denier.

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Tardigrade's avatar

It's a religion, just like Covid zealotry: faith without evidence.

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Andrew N's avatar

Great article, I recently became aware of a book

https://www.amazon.com/Earth-Brokers-Power-Politics-Development/dp/0415109639

That really goes back to how all this started.

After decades of failed development plans for the South and the mounting pressure of the environmental crisis all over the planet, the Earth Summit was billed as a dramatic new approach to solving the planet's problems. Recognizing that environment and development are inseparable was a fundamental step forward, but development quickly became much more important than environment. There was little recognition of the underlying cause of today' s crisis - the unsustainable economic models that most of the world is currently following.

The new order that emerged after Rio is identical to the old one. If this new order were merely a warmed-over version of the old, things might be expected to continue deteriorating at the current pace, if not accelerate, since the new mantra is that the environment may even be a profitable enterprise that will stimulate development. What is more, the new order is slowly creating a global management elite that is coopting the strongest people's movements, the very movements that brought the crisis to public attention.

This book offers a comprehensive and critical overview of the UNCEO process. Examining the origin, context, and the major participants, this book also helps readers understand the transformation of 'development' as well as the deep changes the Green movement has undergone.

Those of us who have watched the process have said that the Earth Summit has failed... Multinational corporations, the United States, Japan, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund have got away with what they always wanted... the Summit has ensured increased domination by those who already have power. Worse still, it has robbed the poor of the little power they had. It has made them victims of a market economy that has thus far threatened our planet... few negotiators realised how critical their decisions are to our generation.

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Peter Halligan's avatar

Which has presumably also led to the 17 "sustainable development" goals of the UN

https://sdgs.un.org/goals

which, from what I can make out = going way beyond the overseas aid budgets already in place to enforce the pursuit of the lowest common denominator of failed nation states by causing "unfailed" states to give up their societal well-being.

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